Survey Results Show Our Members Will Retire Out of State, Weather is a Main Reason

As I read the comments by people worried about an upcoming or contemplated move, I was reminded of something that has really stuck with me from the Creative Retirement Workshop hosted by the Osher LLI at UNC Asheville that I attended a number of years ago: many (perhaps most) of us will move more than once after retirement. There are different stages of retirement, and one setting make be best initially and then we might decide we'd prefer something different after a period of time. And we can always change our minds if we decide we don't t like the place we first chose. It may be a hassle, but another move is generally possible and maybe likely. So we make the best decisions we can and see how it goes. It doesn't have to be permanent.

Why are you pushing reverse mortgages??? The fees are astronomical and, frankly, I can't see any upside unless a person is absolutely destitute.

Wondering what the total amount of people that participated in the survey? How many members are in Topretirement?

Comment from Admin: Good question Tom. We don't have a precise answer but since we only solicited input from our Blog and eNewsletter it is a pretty good bet that at least 90% of the respondents were Topretirements Members or subscribers to one of our newsletters. We think that it is why the results show such a high percentage of out of state moving intentions.

That slightly over half of the respondents plan to buy a home and pay cash kind of confirms what I have noticed on this site, that many here must be above average financially. So many of the communities listed are quite expensive, advertising luxury living. Living like you are on vacation at some fancy resort. I've traveled the world and have never stayed at such resorts. Those places are populated only by tourist looking to feel like the rich and famous. I like to see how normal local people live, even if they are poor. Since I have always been middle class that is all I need in retirement.
The comment about possible (probably?) moving again also rings true to me. That is why I disagree with the buy instead of rent. How do you really know you are going to want to live wherever you move? Rent and it is easy to leave. Especially if you rent a size appropriate to be an old retired person. All I need is a small one bedroom apartment, so also won't need a ton of furniture to buy, and then get rid of if I move. I don't feel it is my responsibility to have quest rooms so others won't have to take a motel if they want to visit. In fact, depending on where you move, your place could end up being a motel for people you know who want to take advantage of not having to pay for a motel on vacation:) Renting gives you the opportunity to REALLY evaluate the location you thought was great. So many northerners want Florida or other deep south states. I really laughed at the one who lived down there and said he was in retirement moving further north because he had had enough of the heat and humidity LOL! Florida in the winter months is great. Summer is heat, humidity, bugs, hurricanes, T storms and tornadoes. Did you know Florida has more tornadoes than any other state? They do, they are just smaller ones, instead of the monsters in tornado alley. So instead of flattening a whole town they only flatten a few house to a block or two. Not much comfort if it is your block. Then the other thing I discovered, even as a traveler, is the SE states religious thing. Man oh man, if you don't believe you are not going to be welcomed in the actual community, the town. Your fake community of a gated 55+ of no locals may be OK, but again if you isolate yourself from the actual community when you make your forays outside those gates you we be less welcome. I found I could never live in the Bible Belt. For those who are deeply religious, fine. Just saying there are so many considerations to buying a home in a place you do not really know that well. RENT. If you still love it and get along with everyone in the community after a couple of years, then buy if you really want, as an old person, a home to have to maintain.
One more thing on 55+. I have a friend who bought a place in one of those. When you daughter ended up needing help and support losing a job (not uncommon in these economic times) she could not come and live with her until back on her feet. She found out 55+ means just that. All people living there must be over 55.
The ones who said they are going to try the RV life has me thinking they may have the best solution. Portable living. Tired of one spot? Or it was not as good as you thought it would be? Nice in winter, but too hot in summer? Nice in summer but too cold in winter? Turn the key and hit the road. Your house is always right there. Maybe I will try that too.

Bob,
I agree with you. I am a divorced, 64 year old woman. I liked the site in the beginning but it is mainly for people in the upper middle class to wealthy range.
I would like to find something for people who still have to work and are on a very limited income.
I search for affordable, safe places to live all the time.
I took my ssi early, so with that I can only make 14,000 a year plus the 764 from ssi.
All this has been a huge adjustment from being married with a 4000 Sq ft house and upper middle class income.
It has made me appreciate what is important in life. I would be happy in a one bedroom rental in a safe area. I would just like some extra cash to visit my children and grandchildren.
Right now, I'm in an extended stay in Georgia (moved from PA for work) living paycheck to paycheck. I would like to move back to PA to be near my grandchildren but can't even afford the move back. Cold weather used to bother me but now it is not the weather that matters to me; it is the people in my life.
Any suggestions on a site for low income people would be wonderful.
By Kathy

Kathy - I suggest you check out the "City Data Retirement Forum." You will discover all sorts of topics regarding retirement, including low income and renting.

Bubbajog,
Thank you for that information. I will definitely check it out.
Kathy

I agree with Bob and Kathy. Since reading these blogs, and now the survey results, I too get a sense that a majority of responders are upper middle class or wealthier. It may just be that I am not financially prepared for retirement in a year, but I have been busy dealing with the little set backs that come along. Yes, it 's scary and I have a husband that is younger and will still be working. Although I would love to stop working, I'm afraid I will need to still find part-time work. We need to get out of Connecticut, lovely state but just too expensive for us. We need to find a location that will let our income go farther. I think we will end up making a few moves because my husband still has not faced the reality of what we will be able to afford once he retires 7 years from now.

We can only afford to buy a condo or home around $200K and that will be with a mortgage, A mortgage at 66 is scary to me, but we bought high and sold our home at a loss to get out of the constant upkeep that was draining our resources. Personally, I'm for renting forever because I don't want to deal with large upkeep costs when I am in my 80's or 90's.

During my husband's 20 yrs in the military, we moved many times. I found that my impression of where I would live in a location changed greatly from when we arrived in a location to when we left. This retirement move will be a big one and can't imagine choosing a supposedly "forever" location without renting and living in a location for at least a year first. It seems it would be more stressful buying right off the bat. I'm guessing that they have enough resources to just make another if it does not work out.

In response to the readers of this blogs income level, i would like to dispute the concept that this blog is for the wealthy. During our work-years, my husband and i never made it out of the middle/middle class; and at many times in our lives we didn't even make it that far! We did save, however. Now our income in about what my husband made before soc. sec. and before i worked full-time. Nothing to shout about, but adequate. I do relate to most of what's written on this blog. A good time to say, thanks John Brady!

I would like to respond to several of the comments made. I would like to buy our retirement home with cash, there will be a potential mortgage if retirement home closes first, but it would come from the sale of our home. There will not be a large splurge on the new one. We will live in a community that we can afford but not have all the bells and whistles.
There are many 55+ communities that allow someone under 55 to live in the home. Some of the communities are also set up where a percentage of residents can be in the 45-55 range also for the older person.

Responding to the idea of being wealthy in order to buy our new home. We never made it to the upper class in any catagory. My wife and I worked at typical blue color jobs. Neither of us will receive a pension. Our savings, investments and social security will allow us to live a better life once we leave the New York metropolitan area. Our life style has always been to live well within our means while still allowing us to enjoy life as we go along. We do not have to have the latest greatest of anything. We want for nothing except to continue in good health in order to enjoy our retirement. God willing.

A lot of insightful comments here. Living in Maine and turning 59 recently, we have done and are doing considerable research on retirement locations. Ultimately my plan would be to pay cash with the proceeds from our current house; definitely middle-class in the under 200k range. We travel a lot and have looked at both Ecuador and Costa Rica; both beautiful countries with many positives and of course the not so positives. We are heavily considering the Tallahassee FL region, but ultimately would love to end up on the Big Island of Hawaii. But, in all the research and travel we still love our house in Maine, particularly during the May-October period. Being a safe state not prone to natural disasters my thought at the moment that bears additional research is the possibility of keeping the Maine residence and renting in a different winter location for at least the first years of retirement. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.

I am single, 66, and have lived on less than $1000/month for the past 10 years. I have done this by paying cash for my home, then that $1000. goes far. Currently I have purchased a mobile home in NC and my HOA payment is $135/month that will cover everything but my electricity. The park even has a nice swimming pool. My worldly possessions fit in my car, and if they don't, I give them away. I love to travel, and very much enjoy my freedom to come and go as I please. I also do house-sitting and have traveled all over the US and Mexico, Bolivia, Panama and Guatemala. Having spent the past 6 years living at Lake Chapala, Mexico, I'm looking forward to a new adventure living in the mountains of NC. I like to hike, kayak, and ride my bicycle. I'm also hoping to volunteer at the Senior Center. It doesn't take much to live a rich life.

To Betsy, you go girl! You have a great life. Blessings

BETSY, I Def agree with you. I plan on selling my condo in san diego and probably making a profit of $140,000. Then relocating to the Oregon coast and probably buying a home for cash and investing the rest to add to my monthly social security. You can buy a condo on the beach for $100,000, or a Mfg home starting at $25,000. If you want to rent a 1 bedroom apt they start at $500,so you can live on less it all depends on your wants and needs.......

Nancy, that's very true. My parents first retired from NY to Fla, and after 10 yrs moved to SanDiego. The humidity and the bugs chased us away...I don't think I will need to make such long distance moves but one never knows.....

I am a firm believer, and have tried to live my adult life by the acronym that all time great NFL quarterback Terry Bradshaw uses often: KISS - KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!!

Betsy--We sound like kindred spirits. I plan on making it on about $1900 a month, with a modest paid for home in the desert southwest. I have spent my money over the years traveling while I was young and healthy, so purposely did not really save much, enjoying the money as I earned it. I am amazed at those who think they need $4000 or more to live on once they retire. Maybe I will be surprised and have to work part-time, but hope not. Or I can always just move to Latin America, where I know my funds will be sufficient and where I can brush up on my mediocre street Spanish. I noticed your comment about house-sitting, and wondered if you could share which site you have found best to find them. I think that would be great fun and a good way to experience extended visits to various areas at a very reasonable cost. I have followed some bloggers for a couple of years who actually do it almost full-time.

Betsy whereabouts are you settling in NC?

Mary Jane,
Where on the Oregon Coast can you find properties at that price level?

JIM, I have seen listings on Craigslist for studio up to 1 BR condo's on the beach for about $110000 in the Lincoln City area. Florence, near old town have 1 BR apts for $700. If you go inland you can rent a house in Roseburg area for $800. I am interested in the Greentrees 55+Mfg home park. You can buy an older home starting at $60000 and you own the land. HOA fees are only $215 which includes cable.

Mary Jane,
I appreciate the information and will check it out.

Mary Jane

HOA fees of any kind are a ripoff. $215 a month for nothing more than the to live somewhere is crazy. Basic cable usually costs around $50 month... What do I get for the other 175 dollars.

MaryJane thanks for reminding me about Oregon. Haven't been there in years. Sounds like a good vacation. Will check out Florence, Roseburg, and Lincoln City. Also love Grants Pass, Seaside, and Corvalis. It's fun to visit the Pendleton Factory and outlet. The green trees, rivers, lakes, streams, and ocean are so refreshing. Not that NC/SC vibe, but a real Western feel.

Ron....That "other" $175 will pay for mowing, snow removal, common grounds maintenence, exterior building maintenence, community center and probably a pool and exercise room. Just mowing cost $20-$25 per week where we live, 6,000 sq ft lot. Being a homeowner, I can assure you normal maintenence can run into $100's of dollars per year, add in air coditioner, roof damage, siding damage,not covered under your insurance, and yes your insurance premiums. Replacement of a roff can run into thousands. For us however, it's the community center. My wifes family lives into their 90 s, no male in my family has lived past 74 in the last 3 generations. We have set up a trust to maintain her lifestyle after i'm gone. The point is she will have the community to rely on, we do not have a family that we can depend on for regular visits or help. Most condo communities are fairly close, sharing the same lifestyle and interests.

I live in somewhat rual Southern New Jersey. It is really a great place to live despite stereo types. It is close to great beaches and cities( Ocean City, Cape May our favorites), 1 hr. from Philadelphia , 2hrs. Baltimore, 3hrs. Wash. D.C.. Due to a spinal cord injury /heath issues we are next to great hospitals and doctors. An added bonus , it is the Garden State. Fresh produce is in abundance. But ! Like most I hate the very high property taxes, car insurance and soon (when Gov. Christie gets his way ) the 2nd highest gasoline tax in the nation. So, I want to retire somewhere in the South. But Where?

Costal North and South Carolina, and Georgia are always being considered. But with the factors mentioned above I never hear enough about retiring to the Panhandle of Florida ( Mexico Beach , Bay Co. and Port St. Joe,
Gulf Co. in particular) and the Eastern Shore of Va.

What do you think? Any information? Thanks!

Jeff,
Your absolutely right. HOA fees are not always a ripoff. The term has been demonized over the years. $225.00 does seem too bad considering the fact that we are paying Comcast over $100.00 a month!!!

Well guys I'm currently in oceanside ca living in a 55+ condo community and HOA is $425. Cable used to be included and they took it away...?so why do you think I'm moving out of Cali...lol

Ron, Jim, and Jeff - We pay a modest HOA, around $187.00 a month, and are happy to do it. The high maintenance of roads and green space in our community, the highly qualified security staff, or the expenses of trimming the thousands of palm trees and live oaks here in the Lowcountry- we certainly get our $$$ worth!

Loved the comments, I'm looking to move to 55+ community, but want one. I would like more comments from people about there knowledge dealing with them. looking for southeast coastal area.

Sam Pace,
I live in the Atlanta suburbs but am originally from the Chicago area. My son lives in Panama City, FL which is about 50 miles west of the area you reference. I love that area of Florida but it's not for everyone. It is somewhat isolated and has more in common with southern Alabama than the rest of Florida. I have rented beach houses on St George Island and Cape San Blas. Beautiful white sand beaches with very few people on them. The area also offers great saltwater fishing as well.

I have heard that the panhandle is the hottest place in all of FL in the summer. And the other extreme have seen snow flurries on the beach in Panama City.

Ron, HOA fees are not a ripoff. Mine cover insurance on the building, lawn service, tree service, pool maintenance, pest control, parking lot maintenance, water, irrigation system and its water, reserve for future things like roof replacement, etc. Trust me, it's not fun trying to hire all this on your own.

Jim C, I see that you live in a suburb of Atlanta & was originally from Chicagoland. My wife and I currently live in the Chicago area and have been looking at suburbs of Atlanta as well. If you don't mind my asking, what suburbs of Atlanta do you find most appealing? We've visited the area a few times and appreciated the forests to the North/Northwest, as well as lake areas of the Northeast suburbs. Any drawbacks to any of the suburbs in the areas I mentioned? Should we consider any suburbs to the south of Atlanta?

Jim C, Thanks from the comments! Most of what you said I am kind of familiar with . Because , 34 yrs ago in my middle 20's I did live in the very remote area of Indian Pass Beach. I was a teacher in Apalachicola. So I do love the area. But! Retirement was the furthest thing from my mine. I thought people retired to Florida to get away from the snow, that was it. I didn't think about things like cost of living, housing costs, property taxes, insurances , winter or summer living, doctors and medical issues/illnesses. I was getting paid very low wages so I did manage to pay my rent , electric , gas, phone bills and car insurance . Saved very little and I do mean very little. Never spent a whole summer there because I came home to see my family and work my summer job was a mover.

I have never met or know of anyone from Southern NJ or the surrounding area (South Eastern Pa. or Delaware who retired there. Neither do any of the retirement publications I get, ever mention that area as a great places to retire too. I did hear of and met many people from Atlanta who were buying beach houses not retirement homes there. It is my understanding that Ga. is a great retirement state. I personally love the Savannah area. Thanks again Jim C! I would love to hear from those who retired or possibly are considering retiring to Northwest FLorida. Panama City, Mexico Beach , Port St Joe, Cape San Blas and Indian Pass . Jim you mentioned it was a lot like other parts of the south especially Alabama. My friends and many people I met during my time there were very proud of the fact that they were " Native or True Floridians" Born and Raised there , not transplants.

Looking forward to hearing more comments! Might be planning a visit to that wonderful area in Aug. Sam P.

Sam, my husband and I are headed to that part of Florida in October. The same places you mentioned.....Panama City and east from there down to Port St Joe. We are then driving West to New Orleans. Having lived in New Orleans for many years I know about the heat and I have visited the Mississippi and Alabama coasts .....the Florida tax situation is definitely a draw. Will post our thoughts as I hope you will too!

Tim H,
If your retired and proximity to the city is not a concern I would look at areas in the far north suburbs like Canton and Cumming. Closer in Alpharetta, Roswell and John's Creek are nice communities but traffic is horrible. You could also consider the north Georgia mountains. I like Dahlonega, Clayton, Blue Ridge and Hiawassee Georgia. I'm not very familiar with areas south of the city but have heard Peachtree City is a nice community.

Hope this helps.

Sam P,
Very familiar with Indian Pass. Must have really been off the beaten path 34 years ago. There is a quirky somewhat famous restaurant there, I think it's called The Raw Oyster Bar but I'm not sure if that is the correct name. I've always dreamed of retiring somewhere between Mexico Beach and Apalachicola but alas my wife doesn't share my enthusiasm.

Jim C, You are correct. The Indian Pass Raw Bar, What a neat place, in fact " Southern Living" magazine rated it one of the top places in the South to eat oysters. If you or anyone reading this goes there or eats oysters try them with what is becoming a local favorite " Ed's Red" a blend of hot sauce and spice founded by a local resident of Port St. Joe, Ed Creamer. Like the bottle says " an oyster's best friend" Quite tasty!

Another plus about the area is fresh seafood- oysters, fish (all kinds), blue crab, bay scallops, clams, and there is nothing like fresh and I do mean fresh shrimp.

I brought my wife to Indian Pass and the area in 1986. I was hoping she would fall in love with Indian Pass. Too remote for her but she did like Mexico and St Joe Beach. One thing she fell in love with that we did and I believe you can still do in August and September is bay scalloping in the St. Joe Bay. Beautiful crystal water similar to snorkeling except you look for and try to grab a scallops.

Keep those comments coming.

Sam P, I heard that scalloping was not allowed this year because of the impact of red tide. Apparently the scallop population is very low so they made a decision to ban scalloping until the population recovers.

I am considering Mexico Beach as well. Closer to where our son lives and not so remote.

Jim C, Jean

One thing I can say about the area between Mexico Beach , Port St Joe, and Apalachicola is that it hasn't been over developed over the years according to most friends I talk too. It wasn't during my last visit ,which I am sorry to say was in April/ May of 2001. So hope it is the same when I do visit next month in Aug. My guess would be that Panama City, Panama City Beach and the areas surrounding them and Tyndall Air Force Base have grown.

Another thing about that area that is unusual and takes a little bit getting use to is the Time Zone factor. This is something my family will experience next month. There is a Time Zone change between some Gulf County towns ( Eastern Time) and some Gulf County and all Bay County towns (Central Time). Something simple like going to a Friday or Saturday night movie was an adjustment . I lived in Indian Pass (Eastern Time- ET) which was an hour drive to Panama City ( Central Time-CT) . The movie at the Mall started at 8 PM( CT) . So to make a long story short , your night for just the movie would start at 7:30 (ET) and end about 12:30AM (ET). Add something before and after the movie and you would end up home much later in the AM hours

How many after 11 PM calls have you gotten from your son Jim because he wasn't thinking (Eastern Time)?

As I did say in earlier exchanges, I never met anyone from this area who has retired there. Nor do I read anything about the area in retirement magazines or articles about retirement things we will face in that area There is one negative about the area when I lived there and I hope it has gotten WAY BETTER. It is not any social issues. So don't laugh. I do love all the fresh seafood and the down home Southern dishes like BBQ, fried chicken, catfish, okra and grits etc, etc. But! Having grown up in an Italian American household in South Jersey there were no places in the area to get any kind of good ITALIAN FOOD to eat or Specialities( Vegetables, oils and Bread/pastries) to cook with.

I lived in South Carolina too. Being with and seeing family/ friends was the #1 reason to go home in the summers. FOOD - (Italian) in particular was my #2 reason to come home in the summers. Mom's cooking, Pasta, Pizza, (Subs, Hoagies, Heroes- what ever you know them as) and one of my favorites Philly Cheesesteaks.

Being a fan of many of the cooking channel shows, I hope my food issues have gotten better down there.

Hello Folks
While many of you are contemplating a move south to escape a harsh winter, right now I've been stuck inside for 3 days (and counting) in the extreme heat of SE PA. While I'm not a fan of the snow and cold I kinda feel like I'm supposed to be inside in the winter-- but the summer- no way!!! We love being outside gardening and in our yard and this extreme has been awful. In that regard we have our eyes on some "cooler" mountain towns out west. We'd like to be within driving distance of major airport and city for cultural and medical reasons. We were thinking of the Denver area or perhaps southern Wyoming to travel to Denver or from the west to Salt Lake City. We want to be in a small town, not the suburbs and I need to see green trees and not desert. (Any maybe not too much snow) lol
Any ideas? Thanks in advance!!

Sam,
Having lived in the South for 23yrs now and after talking with many fellow Yankees over the years I can tell you the one thing we miss more than anything is northern food. I especially miss Italian beef sandwiches and Chicago style pizza.

Florence, Florence .....
3 days of extreme heat over 3 months of cold, shoveling, ice dams, frozen pipes and ice.
Sorry can't agree..... You can't beat the heat early and in the evening. When it's cold, it's cold morning noon and night.
Good luck and health where ever life takes you...

Alexmac56
Well we've haven't had frozen pipes or ice dams yet and we've been here for 25 years. When you're retired and dont need to get out in a hurry shoveling isn't that bad. We're going on our 4th heatwave of the year ( 4 or more days of 90 or above) and July isn't over yet. I guess to each his own :)

Hi Florence,
Lots of green, not too much snow and moderate temperatures year round in the Rocky Mountain West, is a tall order. The flats are semi-arid, brown, hot during summer, and cold in winter. The mountains are cool and beautiful in summer, but, very cold in winter with lots of snow, lots of green in the higher elevations.

For your requirements, you might want to check out Laramie, WY, its a really nice college town (University of Wyoming). Plus, no state income tax.

Grand Junction, CO is popular with retirees. There is more green then most areas, the summers can be hot, but, the winters are mild and gets less snow then Denver. Eagle, CO is a really nice place in the mountains and is semi-arid. This web site has a nice article about it. Inhabitants there represent all income levels, from trailer parks to monster mansions.

Salida, CO is a small town surrounded by mountains, doesn't get too much snow, has lots of green and isn't too cold in the winter. It has a large artisan community with a nice vibe and retirees like it. Buena Vista, an even smaller town about 20 minutes north from Salida, is much smaller, hardly gets any snow, and its a lot less expensive and really nice.

Denver, CO is expensive and getting to be more expensive with real estate prices Its the biggest city in the entire Rocky Mountain West. I live here and really like it. I would like to stay, but, I'm unable to afford it when I'm retired. Colorado Springs, CO and Pueblo, CO are less expensive alternatives and are being considered. Hence, my search on this web site.

Wherever you live, most likely you'll be staying indoors 3 to 5 months a year from cold or heat. I hear Hawaii is great year round outdoors. My neighbor's middle class parents are transplant retirees in Hawaii and found a way to do it on the cheap. Anyway, good luck on your search.

ColoradoLiving -- great review of various spots in CO. Living there you have a completely different understanding than even a month's stay can offer. Much of what you said jives with what I saw in my visits/drive throughs, but it's good to tie my time with specific places that all run together and were all in Jun-Sep time. (It's hard for me to realize that I actually was in CO for almost two months over two long trips!)

Do you have any experience in the central-southwest areas of CO -- say between Buena Vista and Durango? We have driven over much of CO including the Sand Dunes area and Durango to Telluride and SW, but have not seen or stayed in that area between. Cold leaves me cold, heat is not a concern at all, but I do love to see green.

thanks

Rich:
Yes, I've traveled extensively throughout Colorado. Also did lots of it off the grid and in Wilderness Areas. I backpack, hunt, camp, mountain bike and road cycle a lot throughout the state. Yes, I bicycle over 12,000 foot mountain passes, but, those days are soon numbered.

West of Buena Vista, over Independence Pass, is Aspen. Aspen is a ski resort town for the ultra rich. Multi-millionaires and billionaires play there. Some of the most expensive real estate on the planet is there. During the summer, the off season, its a nice place to visit.

North of Aspen is Glenwood Springs. This is a really nice town. Lots of summer tourists. There is a huge natural hots springs public pool in town. Lots of road and mountain biking, fishing and river rafting there. My wife and I will be there for a week long vacation next month. Yes, it's a mountain paradise. Real estate prices are higher than Denver. I wish I could afford to retire there.

South of Buena Vista is Salida (previously described). Further south is San Luis Valley where the Great Sand Dunes National Park is. This large flat area is semi-arid to arid. Lots of farming using pumped ground water. Summers are hot and winters are cold. Farm migrants and working class live there, real salt of the earth people. Further south is Taos, NM. Really beautiful place, great Indian enchanted vibe, many high end art galleries, lots of tourists, very expensive place to live.

West of Salida is Gunnison and Crested Butte. Gunnison is very cold in the winter, perhaps one of the coldest places in the continental US. Nice town with good down to earth people. Crested Butte is a ski resort and mountain biking mecca. It might be one of the least expensive ski areas in the state. The average age is pretty young, not too many retires live there. But. the place really rocks. There's usually something going on there (concerts, competitions, X-games) and its a fun place to be at. Great fishing at Blue Mesa Reservoir. Ice fishing might equal to Minnesota.

Durango, in southwest Colorado, is a great place to be. Lots of retires live there. Snow is moderate in the winter and not too cold, but, sometimes they get huge dumps and you'll need to shovel it off your roof. Summers are cool and gorgeous, simply beautiful. Its an amazing outdoors man's/woman's paradise. Fishing, river rafting, mountain biking, road cycling, and hiking are all fantastic. Everything is and stays green year round. Motorcycle clubs (Rolling Thunder) rally there in the summer. People are openly friendly and not pretentious. Its a laid back, young at heart mountain community. Mesa Verde National Park is 45 minutes away. Lots of summer jobs because of tourism. But, the town is more expensive in every way when compared to Denver. Excellent place to live if you can afford it, I wish I could. Further west and southwest is all dry hot desert (UT, AZ, NM). Hope this helps with your curiosity.

Thanks so much for all the great info!!!

Much thanks, ColoradoLiving. It sounds like you live up to your moniker! If you've seen any of my previous posts, you know that I think CO is a great state. Interesting (and too bad) that you find Denver with its costs is still lower cost-of-living than so many other parts of the state. Pueblo is nice, but the Plains areas are no real attractive to me for numersous reasons. Perhaps you recognized that Durango is of special interest to me. We spent four days roaming there in 2003 and thought it was one of the most beautiful areas we have ever seen. I think my next long trip may well be a month or so in/near Durango.

ADMIN: maybe I need a post again about " retiring in place". I've read for years now that everyone wants to move to get out of the cold. I remember heavy snow and tiring of snow in Jan, Feb, and March; loving April, May, and June; hating the heat and humidity of July and August; loving Sept and Oct; and loving the winter holidays of Nov and Dec. It seems to me that just about 99% of the Country is uncomfortable in July and August so why move just for those 2 months? Jan, Feb, and March is a longer period and if I were stuck in 90-100 degree temps for 3 months I would have to escape too. So I really can understand the need to "get away", but completely moving seems so drastic and moving to the SE wouldn't solve the problem for me. It would just change the awful 3 month period to 3 or more awful months some place else.
I really am not trying to be difficult because I "sunbird" between CA and NM. I love the East and NorthEast. I couldn't understand my parents totally moved to Florida from Ohio and I don't understand your need to move because of 3 bad months. Please tell me why this won't work : Selling your larger home, using half of the money to downsize in the same town ( assuming you are happy there, except for the weather) or renting a small apartment there if money is a concern. Escaping for all or part of those 3 months with half or all of the money from selling your home. You may only feel this need to escape for the early retirement years or have the health for that short period. Couldn't you take mini trips during those months to the SE or one 3 month stay for less than you pay to move etc.? I know you complain about property taxes, but wouldn't you be saving $ 5-10,000 in taxes by renting or half that amount by downsizing? All I can think of is that you want it all - a large house, but cheaper; sunshine every day ( but how about the rain, storms, and hurricanes of the SE) ;the beach at your front door (but most of you have to drive an hour to get there from what you post). It doesn't seem we can afford to have it All. Can't we just visit unless family or a job are calling?

This comment came in from AWB: Can anyone help?

Just before I retired from the Army almost 3 years ago, my wife and I purchased what I thought was our retirement home on the 8th Fairway at the National Golf Course. Now Pinehurst #9. It is beautiful here, but my wife and I don't golf and we quite frankly cannot stand the heat here in NC. We are pretty much opposed to Property Owners Associations and their extra fees as well. We really want to move NORTH to a more northerly climate with four seasons. We are fine with cold and snow. She doesn't want to move to Alaska. She wants to be on a big lake where we can fish and have our first morning cup of coffee on our own boat pier overlooking a lake. I am just looking for a pleasant, nice place with abundant fishing to call home. She also likes birdwatching, prefers hummingbirds, etc., etc. Do you have any ideas or locations that come to mind? Low taxes and beneficial to disabled military retiree's. Thanks again for your help.

Comment from Admin: I think you should look for a lake in PA or Ohio or even Michigan or indiana. PA is considered pretty retirement friendly. Looks like you will have to do some traveling to find your next place.

AWB, There are plenty of lakes in the mountains of PA, especially the Pocono regions of Wayne and Pike county. Watch out for "planned vacation communities", where the fall of housing prices have brought investors purchasing rental properties that may attract less than desireable neighbors. PA also has high real estate taxes. Do some investigating as there are non development properties as well. I think a good real estate agent should be able to steer you in the right direction. Good luck in your search.

Sandy
For a lot if people perhaps, the idea of retiring in place won't work. In my my township in southeastern PA the cheapest single family home on the market is 329,000 and the real estate taxes are 6,500. I couldn't downsize (much) even if I wanted to stay here, which thankfully I don't. I also think that after being in one location for many years, in my case 65 lol, people want to experience living in a different area, I know I do. The big question, as always, is where?

Florence, that is quite interesting that the areas are so homogenized. Is it just the larger cities where prices can change by the block? Are there no apartments in or surrounding some communities?

AWB, take a look at online resources on days of sun by state. You will see Michigan is NOT highly rated.

I have recently done some research on finding inland lakes in Michigan for my retirement. I don't want to live in the Upper Peninsula, nor the northern regions of the Lower Peninsula where lake houses can be found more easily and affordable - quite beautiful but too isolated for me. However, there are many inland lakes in Oakland County along with Livingston and Genesee counties. Some specific towns would include Lake Orion, Oxford, White Lake, Waterford Township, Fenton, Linden, Davisburg. You can also explore the Lansing and Grand Rapids areas along with western Michigan. Don't know what your price range is but I have been searching for $250K and under.

There are also many internet sites summarizing taxes by state; one is www.retirementliving.com. Michigan is not known to be a retirement friendly state for retirees but you can make your own decision and check out how it treats retired Military pay or Military disability retirement pay.

Hope you find this info helpful.

AWB, I am going to suggest Ottawa County, Port Clinton , Ohio area. Plenty of fishing and birdwatching with housing cost half of what you own now. Winter lows of 19 degrees and average Summer high of 82 degrees. VISIT Catawba Bay! Overall expenses even with Taxes Ohio beats N. Carolina. Ohio Retirees usually leave due to the climate, not the taxes, many coming back after a few years of "fun in the sun." Comfort index is a 46. http://www.ottawaco.info/

AWB: Lake Winnipesaukee, and other lakes nearby, in New Hampshire, might be good if you don't like heat. The summers are mild and the autumns spectacular. The winter is cold and often snowy, but beautiful. It's considered a summer resort area, but many people live there year-round. New Hampshire is considered fairly tax-friendly. Many homes on choice lake property are expensive, but there are some that are relatively reasonable, especially at other nearby lakes.

Hi Sandy
After living in a single family home for so many years, apartment living is not yet appealing and it is not unusually for apartments in this general vicinity, not just my area, to rent for close to 2,000 monthly for a 2 bedroom. I want to relocate anyway so thankfully it's not an issue for me.

Agree with Florence that renting is not a good option in many areas. We really don't save on taxes, since the taxes on the rental property are rolled up into the rent. Likewise, you're still paying for maintenanc, insurance etc. but the landlord is adding his profit markup to those costs. In some parts of the country (I'm near Charlotte) a rental is more than a mortgage payment. And selling a home to use that money may not be the best financial planning decision for everyone. I only earned $15.90 last month on a bank $200K money market account, for example (yes, I know that there are lots of other investments for that money but this could be viewed as a sample baseline). And all of these financial considerations are added to possible lifestyle considerations, including rental restrictions on customizing your living space. I figure that I will have earned the right to make my retirement home very personal to me.

Kate you are a very wise financial planner... Good job !

Kate,
You bring up a great point thats not talked about much.....low interest rates impacting retirement. Back in the early 80's banks payed a minimum of 5.25% on savings. Of course you could get much more in a CD. Thanks to deregulation of the banking industry we now have interest rates that are frankly a joke.

Relocating really IS because of the cold, a desire for a change of scenery, and those "lifestyle considerations" we deserve that rule, isn't it? I still vote for retiring in place and Traveling vs Moving. Of course, I like my little home and location - with it's many faults. Can't convince me re-locating is less expensive but moving would leave the newer home assets to the kids and grandkids. Depends on who you're planning for. We've been retired 8 years. The unhappiest people we've met sold everything and relocated because a Financial Advisor told them it was the best thing to do. One of them was a Financial Advisor himself ! He now has no money to move away. I just selfishly, but frugally, live for my Spouse and the best together time we can have with each other. That includes visiting all the Pretty Towns and cities some of these Blogs suggest.

It all depends if you have paid off your mortgage and what part of the country you are living. My story is living in a condo in southern California with high HOA and still paying on a mortgage will not work for me. So moving to a lower tax state that overall offers a lower cost of living is what I need to do, anyways I have lived in 4 different states and like experiencing moving to different locales. It also will allow me to have extra money for traveling. I don't have family keeping me here so I can live anywhere I want to . It
makes my decision easier compared to others .

That old Suze Orman advice of paying off your mortgage and my personal belief in paying for the best health insurance possible has always worked for us. It has always been our way of life and we didn't pay anyone a 10-15% commission or 400K for heart surgery. I feel most fortunate as my good friend is really in a jam now that her husband died after a 13 year illness. She will be living with us when she can sell her highly mortgaged home.

Kate: I believe you can do better with your money market account of 200K.

For example:

Ally Bank has a money market for 0.85%.

200,000.00 x 0.0085 = 1700 / 12 = $141.67 a month.

https://www.ally.com/bank/money-market-account/

When I no longer need to live near my job, a world of possibilities opens up. Relocating may save me money if I can find affordable housing, with a lower cost of living and taxes. We each have a slightly different view of what retirement will be, and plan accordingly. Mistakes can be costly so I visit different cities and research everything not just the "scenic view". Of course, climate preferences are highly personal. So is living near family or not. Retirement isn't a vacation, it is suppose to hold our dreams and desires with a renewed sense of purpose. I consider my retirement a remote proposition choosing my specific "perks" within my budget range. I can't justify dipping into 25 years of our savings to buy a retirement home when my current home is paid in full. Not until this economy picks up anyways. I agree with SandySW about purchasing the best health insurance possible.

Where do MidWesterners and native Southerners retire? Seems like we never hear from them. They must be the most content in their lives and retirement.

Man y people from Indiana retire near Ft. Myers, Bonita Springs and Naples Florida. My Aunt is one of those and she has many friends from her working days at Eli Lilly who have retired or spend at least six months of the year there. It seems word got out in the workplace.

SandySW
That is an excellent question. I've been reading this board almost from the beginning. I don't recall many posts from people from the central U.S. or the South saying they are seeking to move elsewhere. I'm originally from Missouri but have lived in Texas for the last 18 years due to employment. We have a son and new grandchildren in Missouri but the rest of our children are here in Texas. That will be a strong reason for my spouse to want to stay put or to move back to Missouri. However, I prefer a move to a better climate, weather-wise and politically, than either of the above. We'll probably stay in Texas for a while until our other sons scatter wherever their jobs take them. Then, I'd like to move west to Arizona, Colorado, Nevada or New Mexico.

My relatives from Ohio move to Lee County, Bonito Springs, Florida. Started with my great grandfather. Two of his children went to Arizona first before joining the other five siblings in retirement.

I can't speak for other Southerners or those from the mid-west, but perhaps at least some of those people don't feel as compelled to find a different place to live because the place they live already provides what many who are seeking to move in retirement want. In the South, we have some degree of mild climate, so that may not be a primary driver. In our case, my wife and I have traveled extensively (particularly in the US) in part to decide whether there was a "better" place than our home in central NC. We decided 'no'. Perhaps Mid-westerners feel something similar (although I do seem to remember a LOT of people from the mid-west here on TopRetirements who are contemplating moving for retirement).

There are a LOT of midwesterners in Lee County, Florida!

I think family must be the biggest driver for staying in the Midwest. We have 3 pretty darn decent seasons but unless you love winter, why stay? Or perhaps, like many I know here in the Chicago suburbs, they leave for the winter. If you can do it, that might be the ideal. I remember one February attending the Live South Expo on a particularly nasty cold day in Chicago. An exhibitor from one of the booths was taking a smoke break just outside the door to the hotel and said as we passed by, 'How can you people LIVE here?'. Especially as we age ice and snow become downright dangerous. So I think you have to have a really strong draw to stay here. Bonita Springs must be quite the attraction for I know many from Delaware who either have moved there or spend the winter there.

My husband & I live in SW Wis. 15 min from the Missippi river. Our 2 children live in San Diego. I have no ties left here. My M-I-L is still alive & lives here. I just retired 3 weeks ago & my husband will retire end of Jan 2017. We are much younger than most of the ppl I see posting on this site. Both are 56. We live a simple life. No mortgage or vehicle pmts. We have vacationed in FL for a week at a time up & down the gulf coast for the past 13 years. We like it there but not for 12 mo a year. We like San Diego but really don't want CA to take most of our retirement income. What to do, what to do??? We have kicked around RV living a bit. After working at SSA for 36 years I have come to the conclusion you should enjoy your life while you are healthy because once that goes, you are cooked, so to speak.

As a transplanted Hoosier, we spend 9 months a year in NW Indiana. The weather is very nice and we have lots of friends here. For the three bad months, we head to Florida. We have a daughter who lives outside Orlando so we tend to stay there. After living most of my life in Orlando I can't tolerate the 9 months of heat & humidity there, but Jan-March is wonderful. So we have the best of both worlds.

Hi. Been reading for a couple of years to see where others retire before I do in five years. I think having family or friends at a new location is a big factor in retirement. The Carolinas, Florida, Texas, Arizona, Georgia and Colorado are the States chosen most by boomers due to cost of living, and affordable healthcare. Yet statistics shows most people don't relocate in retirement, and those who do tend to move only very short distances. Just 6 percent of those age 60 and older changed residences between 2012 and 2014, and more than half (3.5 percent) of the people moved within the same county, according to Census Bureau data. I will be one of the 2.5 that moves because my parents moved in retirement, then my siblings and now my children have all moved out of Ohio.

I have been stuck in Kansas City, Missouri my entire career, and I cannot wait for this December when I finally escape! 80% decided on Tucson/Green Valley, AZ, but also considering Phoenix, Laughlin, and Vegas.

I am thinking of moving to Henderson, NV (near Las Vegas). I am in Southern California, and tired of traffic, high taxes, although weather is nice. Can anyone shed light on Henderson, NV? Thank you.

Any thoughts on Huntsville, Alabama? My husband ( a Physics teacher at the time ) and I took a group of students to Space Camp one Christmas season. The weather was pleasant and they really went all out with tree and seasonal decorating. A lot of highly educated "science types" in the area. A great national resource. Is anyone familiar with year- round living?

By the way, great hearing from the Mid West. In travels and early Ohio living, I always found you to be practical yet adventurous at the same town. What you value is usually worth valuing. Thanks for responding.

Huntsville, Ala is over-rated and high priced. Check out Hazel Green or Madison and save yourself some money. I think Alabama is an ugly state except for Montasano Mountain. Watch out for the "hidden". Lived there. UGH!

UGH says it all. We mostly did our exploring at night when the students were worn down. Guess we didn't see what was real. Thanks. Space Camp was great, however.

We have just retired last year. We live on the north shore of MA. We will be be traveling to Phoenix (west side of Maryvale) to our son house. House pricse are very reasonable, ($150K - 250K) for a 3 - 4 bedroom 2 - 3 baths. We will go out there in Oct. and stay until the end of March. We are considering moving there full time in a couple years. But when the move happens will will travel to Oregon, during the summer months, to visit relatives.

DeyErmand. I must ask, what is the "hidden" you mention in your response?

One question you might ask the next time…how important is Golf to you? We’re actively looking now for our next landing zone – tough while employed full time. 55+ doesn’t cut it – too ‘cookie cutter’ and too densely populated. A LOT of the master planned communities we look at come w/ Golf…and all of the related expenses. You might consider for some of us odd-balls identifying master planned communities in the Southeast that offer Golf as an option w/o a buy-in. Carolina Colours in New Bern is such a place, as an example. Tougher for me – I want to be near water and a local municipal airport. ‘I’ve earned it” !
(Comment from Dave)

Thanks Dave,
Yes, not a golf fan either so don't want to pay for it.
I would like a question related to allergies. I have a horrible tree/grass pollen allergy every April and May in Northern Virginia, with oak being the main culprit. Unfortunately, that confines me indoors during some of the best weather of the year. Evidently, the only place east of the Mississippi that is free from that is Florida, and I hate hot, humid weather.
Otherwise, Nevada and the Pacific coast look good though California is too expensive.
Any other thoughts?
Thank you

Florida's warm humid weather makes it worse. There is pollen from something year round. Sometimes it collects in cars at certain times and there's a green powdery fun on the cars. I moved from NY where my worst allergy season was spring with tree and grass pollen. Only lasted a few months. Here it never goes away. I love living here for many reason but don't counseling t n your allergies being better!

Sorry for the typos! Used phone and auto fill has a mind of its own!

WayneRB,
Phoenix is a horrible place! Traffic is terrible and the heat is disgusting it actually makes rubber disintegrate!
You are going to Arizona at the best time of year. Go the opposite six month to really feel the excessive heat!

Not to many other places require a pool cooler to go in the water. As you can tell I am not a fan of Phoenix, or of the excessive heat. Coming from Maine you will be in for quite a shock

Sorry to burst your bubble

Is there anyone who has actually retired in St. Mary's?
Can anyone tell me anything about life/status of Osprey Cove and other subdivisions in the area?
I am looking for something around $200,000....there are actually resales in Osprey Cove in that price range. Have heard good and bad about Osprey...any comments?

To Wayne you hit the nail on the head regarding when to visit a potential state for relocation. People make the mistake of visiting a state when the weather for that area is ideal. Wrong move, visit when the weather for the area is at its worst. You want to relocate to Florida you need to visit in August or September. You want to relocate to Arizona, visit in the summer. You will have a different view of your dream state.

Hope this will help folks looking to relocate to a new area.

That is a good suggestion - visit in worse season. I'm in Tucson which of course is loads better than Phoenix from many angles - weather & traffic top of list. Summers are hot, I've now survived 18 of them, we do road trips once a month to break it up and it doesn't seem so bad. We are a days drive to Albuquerque/Taos, Grand Canyon/Flagstaff, Prescott, San Diego, etc. Still love it here and beats being restricted to the house due to snow, cold and ice. In the summer we do our business out early, I golf at 6:30, nap in the afternoon or watch movies. It's not perfect but we can't afford 2 homes and Oct-May are wonderful. Prescott AZ is a nice alternative, mild winters and not so hot in the summer. I cannot tolerate humidity so that was another factor in choosing Arizona.

There is a helpful book...I believe entitled " Where Do I Belong"............anyone know it?

I tried to find it on Thrift Books...however there are at least 6 books of that title. Does anyone know the author"s name?

Much thanks!

Roberta

ljtucson can you tell me more about where you are in tucson and what its like? My husband and I hope to retire somewhere in AZ. Need the y air and sunshine.Thanks for any info. you or anyone can give me Sandyg

Most golf communities do not require you to join the golf club, although purchasing a social membership -- considerably less expensive -- will help establish friendships quicker. There is some evidence that real estate values appreciate faster in a community with a stable country club. And if the golf course is well maintained, landscaping and views should be nice. I second David's positive comment about Carolina Colours in New Bern, NC; it is well organized and well managed.

Sandyg - I am in a 50+ community about 20 miles north of downtown Tucson in Marana, AZ. There are quite a few active adult communities on north side of Tucson. I am in www.thehighlandsatdovemountain.com We are a full amenity community with golf, pickleball, tennis, fitness center, restaurant, pool, crafts and gated. Dove Mountain is the master plan and there are also just regular family communities here www.dovemountain.com. HOA fees in The Highlands are $193, with homes in the $190,000 - $475,000 range. They are all resales as we were built out in 2007. There is also Sun City Oro Valley a larger community, 10 years older with full amenities, Del Webb up the street just building new - no golf, not gated. Saddlebrooke and Saddlebrooke ranch further north, again with all amenities. Sunflower, smaller, no golf, not gated, less amenities but lower HOA. Also, Quail Creek south of Tucson. Lots of options in the Tucson area. We love Tucson as it is a University of Arizona city, not overgrown but growing, all cultural activities like theater, symphony, UofA softball, volleyball, basketball. The largest Gem Show in the world is here every February. We like being north of Tucson, easy access to Phoenix airport. Surrounded by 5 mountain ranges, creates lots of beauty. June is hot - hot and pretty bone dry. Mid June thru August is generally monsoon time - breaks the oppressive heat but also raises humidity (20-50%). Let me know if I can help you further. ljtucson@comcast.net

Sandyg----I moved to Green Valley, AZ, in early March and absolutely love it so far. My allergies are nearly gone, as is my arthritis. The dry air is great. Expenses are all less, except dog food (that one was solved by ordering online from chewy.com) The people are friendly, and the Mexican restaurants are delicious. Love watching the birds, bunnies, and occasional coyote from my back patio. Only negative so far has been getting up early on Friday to put out the trash to be picked up between 7 and 8 a.m. I used to put it out the night before, but apparently the javalinas will get into it if you do that here. :)

Roberta - From FayKenn
The Author of 'Where Do I Belong' is MELODY WARNICK - I traveled to Charlottesville recently to the Virginia Festival of Books and met her and heard her speak. The book is excellent and she has researched behavior patterns in what is described as 'placement attachments' that must be discerned when 'positive energies' are recognized that sometimes are overlooked or taken for granted in finding your 'perfect place' .... i.e. always be aware of what your 'happiness' triggers are - This sometimes takes time - journaling, researching favorite places, where are YOU most creative?'.....She believes all this 'work' is an art and science and so do I ..... I am on a quest as well and know the places I love to be in - there are more than two...... I will be on the beach later today in Florida - Indian Rocks - Would love to live there but not year-round ....also love Milford PA and Lake Wallenpaupack area in PA Poconos.....each have family ties for me and I love living in these places for parts of the year.....Get the book - Melody received an award in NYC for authoring One Of The Best Books in the BOOKS FOR A BETTER LIFE event on April 17, 2017 - .....Check out Melody's web site - she might be interested in speaking in your town/city if you ask her.....I believe she currently lives in Blacksburg VA with her family.....Good luck to you......FayKennedy

Faye...thank you so much.....you sound like me...if I could only have two residences....I would be a happy camper!

The correct name of Melody Warnick's book is "This is where you belong: the art and science of loving the place you live." It is indeed chock full of fascinating information and food for thought! I've got it checked out right now from my local library but it's available on Amazon and local book stores.
Lots of us would love to be able to live in 2 (or more) places for certan times of the year but can't. So the question becomes making peace with the negatives of where we live. Melody Warnick is a big help in learning how. Laney